徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 19:34

<P><FONT size=5>若将“会”字读为“浍(沬)”,把它放到</FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ˎ̥; mso-hansi-font-family: ˎ̥">工虞季生<SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜</SPAN></SPAN>的“乍(作)其盥</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">會</SPAN><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜”中,就读不通了。</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Lucida Sans Unicode&#39;"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT color=#000000>&nbsp; 乍(作)其盥<SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">會</SPAN><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜<FONT size=4>(<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: ˎ̥; mso-hansi-font-family: ˎ̥"><FONT size=4>工虞季生</FONT><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>匜</FONT>)</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Lucida Sans Unicode&#39;"><o:p><FONT color=#000000><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">&nbsp; 自乍(作)盥鉈(<SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜)<FONT size=4>(攻吴罗儿<SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>匜</FONT></SPAN></SPAN>)</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Lucida Sans Unicode&#39;"><o:p><FONT color=#000000 size=4><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">“盥”指用途。</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Lucida Sans Unicode&#39;"><o:p><FONT color=#000000><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 20:05

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none" align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘、盂、匜、盉、鉴有相互混称的现象。如<A name=baidusnap0></A>倗匜、夆叔匜自名为</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;匽公匜自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘匜</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;毳匜、朕匜自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盉</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;郑伯盘、封孙宅盘自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘匜</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;令盘、免盘自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘盉</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;裘卫盉自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;王盉、王仲皇父盉自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘盉</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;齐侯鉴自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盂</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">;昶伯盘自名</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">监</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">(</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-as

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 20:56

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘匜组合最早出现于西周中期</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">并于西周晚期时完成了盘盉组合向盘匜组合的过渡。</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盘、盂、匜、盉、鉴有相互混称的现象,这是有原因的。在盘盉组合的时代,可称类名“盘盉”;在盘匜组合的时代,可称类名“盘匜”。而在盘盉组合向盘匜组合过渡的时期,匜就出现了自名<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盉</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt">”的现象。换言之,当我们看到一个匜自名为“<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盉</SPAN>”的时候,我们就知道它的年代是在盘盉组合向盘匜组合过渡的时期。<FONT size=4>賸匜自称为“<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">盉”依然</SPAN>是匜。</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 21:21

<P><FONT size=4>槽形流匜的盖,盖上后,它的流的前端是形成一个小孔的,可以淌水。</FONT></P>
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 21:36

<P><FONT size=5>41楼说:“賸匜自名为“盉”,是酒器(調和酒與水之用,怕酒氣揮發,也爲防止晃動時酒水溢出,故需要蓋子蓋住)”</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=5>是这样吗<STRONG>?</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=5><STRONG>看看49楼的賸匜</STRONG>,<STRONG>就知道了。</STRONG></FONT></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-20 21:56

<P><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">“會</SPAN><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜”可能是有盖的<SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜。</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>匜加盖的目的,也许是怕奉匜的人不小心弄脏了匜中的“净水”吧?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>《国语·吴语》:“一介嫡男,奉盘匜以随诸御。”</FONT></P>

小狐 发表于 2011-4-21 08:00

<P>彭射匜是考古發掘品,沒蓋的。</P>
<P>(論壇已經提供了此文的電子版,若不麻煩的話請稍微仔細的讀一下好嚒?這樣的話再發言庶幾能有點根據~)</P>
<P>(或者,若方便的話,再查查《集成》中所有自名“匜”的器物,看看究竟有幾個是帶蓋的好嚒?~)</P>
<P>盉是宴會上用的禮器,講究漂亮,故變形極多——有鴨蛋形的、龍首的、蟈蟈(蟋蟀?)形的、人面長角狀的等等,偶然造個類似“匜”形的也不難理解吧?</P>
<P>(就因為造個“匜”形的,就改叫“匜”了嚒?那麼,造成鴨蛋形的、龍首的、蟈蟈(蟋蟀?)形的、人面長角狀的等等,皆類似“壺”,考古界為何不統統改叫“壺”呢?<IMG src="Editor/Emotion/18.gif">)</P>
<P>——沒見過用水瓢兌酒喝酒的是不?俺就這麼幹過(⊙o⊙)~<IMG src="Editor/Emotion/10.gif">~</P>

看不下去 发表于 2011-4-21 18:40

<P><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">“會</SPAN><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜”可能是有盖的<SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">匜。</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT size=4><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN class=diczx1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">真服了你<IMG src="Editor/Emotion/10.gif"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>

小狐 发表于 2011-4-21 19:22

<P>呵呵~還有啊<IMG src="Editor/Emotion/2.gif">——</P>
<P><FONT size=5>“尽信书,不如无书!”</FONT></P>
<P>人家說對的都不信,難道讓俺信你的****( ⊙ o ⊙ )啊<IMG src="Editor/Emotion/7.gif"></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-4-21 19:58

<P><FONT size=5>谁说我不信书?只是不尽信书!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=5>小狐说:“</FONT><FONT size=5>现在看来,“申(下+皿)”很可能就是“曳<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>(<FONT size=5>下+皿)”字,原本就应该读为“匜”。</FONT></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=5>不知此想法有无道理</FONT>?”</o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p><FONT size=5>很有道理!我信!</FONT></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 1.25pt 0pt 0cm; WORD-BREAK: break-all; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-para-margin-right: .12gd; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-pagination: widow-orphan" align=left><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 200%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt">“<FONT size=5>匜”从“也”得声。“也”,喻纽四等歌部;“曵”,喻纽四等月部。歌、月为阴声与入声的关系。故“也”、“曳”声系可通。《史记·司马相如列传》“抴独繭之褕袘”,《文选·上林赋》引“袘”作“絏”。《集韵·祭韵》“拽,拕(拖)也,山东语。”又上文所引《慧琳音义》“拽,拖也。”均属声训。可资佐证。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></o:p></SPAN></SPAN>
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