张铉济南 发表于 2012-9-19 08:00

徐先生,该字右边我看是翟,不是瞿

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-19 20:14

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<P><FONT size=5>那就是翟。我现在说不清楚!等我有空的时候,去找一找《提谓经》讲经文的不同本子,对一下。有消息,就告诉你!你要是有消息,也请告诉我!</FONT></P>

张铉济南 发表于 2012-9-20 08:00

期待新消息。呵呵

王寧 发表于 2012-9-20 21:35

“仾”即“低”,“<IMG border=0 src="UpFile/UpAttachment/2012-9/2012920133458k2gliqu5hipxuco3etog5_@_a.jpg" onload=javascript:DrawImage(this);>”當從“貢”聲,“仾<IMG border=0 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/UpFile/UpAttachment/2012-9/2012920133458k2gliqu5hipxuco3etog5_@_a.jpg" onload=javascript:DrawImage(this);>”讀為“抵摃”,即“抵扛”、“抵抗”。<p>[此主题已被 王寧 在 2012-9-20 13:37:14 编辑过]

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-21 02:34

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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><FONT face=宋体><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">一上先生</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt">说得对!(见五楼<STRONG>一上</STRONG>帖)</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt"><FONT face=宋体>从《佛说善恶因果经》“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">横恼</B>他人者死作<B><SPAN style="BACKGROUND: #ffff66; COLOR: black">懊恼虫</SPAN></B>。”来看,那两个字“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">低</B>(<SPAN style="COLOR: #333333">抵</SPAN>)<SPAN lang=EN-US>[</SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">直翟</B><SPAN lang=EN-US>]</SPAN>(<SPAN style="COLOR: #333333">摘</SPAN>)”,可能就是“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: #333333">抵摘</SPAN></B>”,意思是“<SPAN style="COLOR: #333333">指责</SPAN>”。</FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><FONT face=宋体><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #333333">宋梅尧臣 </SPAN><SPAN class=diczx11><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt"><FONT color=#003366>《和司马学士虑囚》</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #333333">:<SPAN lang=EN-US>“</SPAN>是以大君心,惟恐<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">横抵摘</B>,前法著以律,后法编以册。<SPAN lang=EN-US>”</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><FONT face=宋体 size=3>(《佛说善恶因果经》:“喜谗人者死堕蟒蛇恶毒中。<STRONG>横恼</STRONG>他人者死作</FONT><A name=baidusnap0></A><FONT size=3><FONT face=宋体><B><SPAN style="BACKGROUND: #ffff66; COLOR: black">懊恼虫</SPAN></B>。为人喜传恶作信者死作鸱枭鸟。”)</FONT></FONT></P></DIV>
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-21 03:47

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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333"><FONT face=宋体>一、翟,《廣韻》徒歷切《集韻》《韻會》亭歷切《正韻》杜歷切,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集">&#131108;</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #333333"><FONT face=宋体>音狄。<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-21 06:01

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<P class=zdct31 style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 3pt 0cm"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #333333"><FONT face=宋体>这个字太奇怪了!看来那个写《提谓经》讲经文的人,他不仅懂“声明”之学,还知道反切。<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US>[</SPAN>直翟<SPAN lang=EN-US>]</SPAN></B>,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">直,上字,翟,下字。</B>我们不能用《广韵》的系统来看它,那个写讲经文的人也许是为了照顾那个字的梵音,也许是受他自己方音的影响。倘若是这样的话,那<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US>[</SPAN>直翟<SPAN lang=EN-US>]</SPAN></B>就是个“拼音文字”了!<SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-21 06:21

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张铉济南 发表于 2012-9-21 08:00

怎么看还是贡,不过徐先生说和尚反切造字是有先例的

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-21 21:45

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