徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-9 05:40

说[将/鼎]

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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-9 05:54

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<P align=center><FONT size=5>铭文“盂□（鬺）文帝母日辛尊”</FONT></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-9 06:16

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<P><FONT size=4><FONT size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT size=5><FONT size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT size=5>订正：</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4><FONT size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT size=5><FONT size=5><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT size=5>裴骃</FONT>《<FONT size=5>集解</FONT>》<FONT size=5>注说</FONT>：“<FONT size=5>徐广曰</FONT>：‘<FONT size=5>亨</FONT>，<FONT size=5>煮也</FONT>。<FONT size=5>鬺音</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT size=5>殤</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">。<FONT size=5>皆尝以亨牲牢而祭祀</FONT>。’”</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-9 23:14

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<P align=center><FONT size=5><STRONG>铭文“胡作[]（鬺）彝宝簋”</STRONG></FONT></P>
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<P align=left><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 22px" size=5>在盂方鼎与周厉王胡簋铭文中出现的这两种用法的[将/鼎]字，仍应沿袭宋人及清人的考释，将字读作“<STRONG><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 22px" size=5>鬺</FONT></STRONG>”，无须它求。</FONT> </P>
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-10 00:49

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<P><FONT size=3><FONT face=宋体><FONT size=5>或以为“</FONT>舊釋爲“ <SUB><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0021/image157.gif" width=19></SPAN></SUB><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">”，皆當改釋爲“肆”。<FONT size=5>”，那就不一定了！</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-10 02:24

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<P><SPAN><FONT size=5>如何知道“</FONT><IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19><FONT size=3>鼎</FONT><FONT size=5><STRONG>”</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=5>就<STRONG>是“</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT face=宋体>金文常見的所謂“<SUB><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19></SPAN></SUB><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">鼎”<FONT size=5>”？仅仅是依据辞例吗？仅仅依据辞例，有时是不可靠的。倘若，同出的同一人所作的同型器物，一铭为“<IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19><FONT size=3>鼎</FONT>”，另一铭为“<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>鼎</FONT></SPAN></SPAN>”，那也许真的“<IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19><FONT size=3>鼎</FONT><FONT size=5><STRONG>”</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=5>就<STRONG>是“</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT face=宋体>金文常見的所謂“<SUB><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19></SPAN></SUB><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">鼎”<FONT size=5>”了。</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-10 02:39

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<P><STRONG><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">“衛肈作厥文考己仲寶</SPAN><SUB><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt"><IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19></SPAN></SUB></STRONG><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><STRONG>鼎”“</STRONG><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt">其字形與前引用爲“肆”的“</SPAN><SUB><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt"><IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19></SPAN></SUB><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">”全同”，这正说明“<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt"><IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><STRONG>鼎</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN>”是一“肆”鼎，这只鼎只是一“肆”鼎（可能是列鼎）中的一个，也可能是一组器物中的一件。而“<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19 ?></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">鼎</SPAN>”是“<FONT size=4>烹牲牢而祭祀</FONT>”用的鼎。</SPAN></SPAN></P><p>［此主题已被 徐伯鸿 在 2012-9-10 12:30:02 编辑过］

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-11 01:52

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<P><SPAN><IMG height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0019/image102.gif" width=19><FONT size=4>释“逸”，读“<STRONG>肆”</STRONG>是对的！但仅凭<STRONG><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">“衛肈作厥文考己仲寶</SPAN><SUB><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19 ?></SPAN></SUB></STRONG><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><STRONG>鼎”</STRONG>是无法证明</SPAN>“<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; font-: 12.0pt"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=19 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image004.gif" width=19 ?></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><STRONG>鼎</STRONG>”就是“<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19 ?></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">鼎”的！</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">逸就是逸，<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19 ?>就是<SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><IMG onmousewheel="return bbimg(this);" height=18 src="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/articles/2007_12/lunwen/0020/image030.gif" width=19 ?>！</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN><FONT size=4><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">
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徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-11 03:05

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<P align=center><STRONG><FONT size=5>王作[]（鬺）彝</FONT></STRONG></P><FONT size=5>
<P><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 22px">在西周时代青铜器铭文中，称[]（鬺）彝的器有鼎、簋、簠、盘等。其中大量的是鼎和簋，这两种器主要是盛熟食的彝器。</FONT></P></FONT><p>［此主题已被 徐伯鸿 在 2012-9-11 16:45:23 编辑过］

徐伯鸿 发表于 2012-9-11 06:12

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<P align=center><FONT size=6>是形声字吗？</FONT></P>
<P align=center><FONT size=6><FONT face=宋体><FONT size=5>有肉、有刀、有俎，还有鼎，正是“烹牲牢而祭祀”</FONT>。</FONT></FONT></P>
<P align=center><FONT face=宋体 size=5>这个字“羊声”，音殇。亦作鬺。</FONT></P>
<P align=center><FONT face=宋体 size=5>既不从“逸”得声，就不能改释“肆”。</FONT></P>
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