jzbjzb2007 发表于 2009-12-21 19:19

请教怎么辨认出甲骨卜辞中的职官名

<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>请教怎么辨认出甲骨卜辞中的职官名,请举例说明,谢谢!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>卜辞中职官名一般在“王令某臣”后面吗?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>“伊”、“臣”、“马”、“亚”、“旅”、“田”为什么不是人名或者一种动物?而是一种职官名?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>另外,关于商代职官和官制有哪些书籍或者论文可以参考,谢谢!</FONT></P>

文音 发表于 2009-12-21 20:33

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文音 发表于 2009-12-22 01:46

<P><FONT size=4>您说:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>第(2)句卜辞,为什么不能这样理解:在□田的黄右(又)赤马其惠?译文:在□田的黄色和赤色马温顺吗?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT size=4>其实:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>“在某田某”是个结构,意为在某地(第一个某)的名字叫作“某”(第二个)的田官。裘老和黄天树先生均有详述。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>例(2)如果您勉强那样解释,“在攸田武”您怎么解释?(例2中碰巧那个人的私名为“黄”,所以您与“赤”联系起来了)</FONT></P>

jzbjzb2007 发表于 2009-12-23 00:35

<P><FONT size=3>谢谢!再请教“贞:在攸田武其來告”,“其”在怎么理解?训为“会”,揣测语气吗?还是是“虚词”呢?“在攸田武”在这里是“介宾短语”作“主语”吗?</FONT></P><p>[此主题已被 jzbjzb2007 在 2009-12-22 16:52:27 编辑过]

文音 发表于 2009-12-23 02:55

<P><FONT size=3>“在攸田武”在这里就是“介宾短语”作“主语”</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT size=3>我总感觉卜辞中的“其”比较复杂,搞不太清楚,您可以参看张玉金:《甲骨文语法学》中的相关章节</FONT></P>

jzbjzb2007 发表于 2009-12-23 03:52

<P><FONT size=4>谢谢!看陈梦家先生《殷墟卜辞综述·文法》P87页:“其”字加重的表示未来疑惑的语气,《经传释词》“其犹将若也”,《词诠》“其,仰也(选择之词)”《古书虚字集释》“其有期望之义”。P88页:卜辞中的“其”字多用作疑惑不定之义,和西周以后之多用作指示代词不同。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>另:张玉金《甲骨文虚词词典》P140页,“其”字条。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>还是不能肯定“其”在这里应该作为“疑问语气或者测度语气”还是做“将”字解,似乎作“将”字解也说得通。<IMG src="http://www.guwenzi.com/Editor/Emotion/10.gif"></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P>[此主题已被 jzbjzb2007 在 2009-12-22 19:54:51 编辑过]</P><p>[此主题已被 jzbjzb2007 在 2009-12-22 20:13:03 编辑过]

shing 发表于 2009-12-24 08:00

关于卜辞中的“其”,最新的成果可参看吴可颖先生的博士论文(高岛谦一先生指导)。

文音 发表于 2009-12-24 21:15

<blockquote><img border=0 src=images/icon-quote.gif> <b>shing:</b><br>关于卜辞中的“其”,最新的成果可参看吴可颖先生的博士论文(高岛谦一先生指导)。</blockquote>shing兄,您有這篇嗎?我想學習下

jzbjzb2007 发表于 2010-1-2 23:04

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<TD height=40><SPAN class=postfont20><BR><STRONG><FONT color=#494949>時兵:殷墟卜辭“其{爫禾}不歺”釋讀 <A href="http://www.guwenzi.com/SrcShow.asp?Src_ID=1021#_edn3">http://www.guwenzi.com/SrcShow.asp?Src_ID=1021#_edn3</A></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></SPAN></FONT>

jzbjzb2007 发表于 2010-1-2 23:05

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