陈民镇 发表于 2012-4-15 05:12

劉徹邪？劉彘邪？

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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=p0><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">《漢武故事》開篇云：</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt" class=p0><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">漢景皇帝王皇后內太子宮，得幸，有娠，夢日入其懷。帝又夢高祖謂己曰：“王夫人生子，可名</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">爲</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">彘。”及生男，因名焉。是</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">爲</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">武帝。帝以乙酉年七月七日旦生於猗蘭殿。年四歲，立</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">爲</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">膠東王。數歲，長公主嫖抱置膝上，問曰：“兒欲得婦不？”膠東王曰：“欲得婦。”長主指左右長</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">御</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">百餘人，皆</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">云</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">不用。末指其女問曰：“阿嬌好不？”於是乃笑對：“好！若得阿嬌作婦，當作金屋貯之也。”長主大悅</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">；</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">乃苦要上，遂成婚焉。是時皇后無子，立栗姬子</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">爲</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">太子。皇后既廢，栗姬次應立</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">；</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">而長主伺其短，輒微白之。上嘗與栗姬語，栗姬怒</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">，</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">弗肯應</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">，</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">又罵上</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">老狗</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">”</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">，上心銜之。長主日譖之，因譽王夫人男之美，上亦賢之，廢太子</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">爲</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;

陈民镇 发表于 2012-4-15 23:40

<P><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #cce8cf">本來也想談談“彘”古音的分歧的，一上說得很明確了，受教了！</FONT></P>

张铉济南 发表于 2012-4-16 22:50

<P class=p0 style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">3.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">《漢武故事》的記述可信，漢武帝原叫劉彘，後改作劉徹。</SPAN></P>
<P class=p0 style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">应该可信，武帝之前高惠文景四帝的名字都是固定的，从避讳就可以看出。武帝也不会例外</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>

上古的迷徒 发表于 2012-4-21 03:45

这种现象很正常。刘邦原名刘季，也就是“刘四儿”，后来当了皇帝后觉得这名字有点不雅，才改名刘邦。刘邦如此，刘彻原名刘彘也很可以理解的。春秋时黑臀、寤生等名也可以为比。

陈民镇 发表于 2012-5-3 05:20

以“彘”爲名似乎也不能認作不雅。《初學記》卷二九引《春秋說題辭》：“斗星時散精爲彘，四月生，應天理。”馮時先生指出古人以豬知天時又主配北方，且主祭司命，以其比附作爲天一常居之地的北斗。<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">参见氏著《中国天文考古学》，中国社会科学出版社</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">2010<FONT face=宋体>年版，</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">第</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;">149</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: &#39;宋体&#39;; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-spacerun: &#39;yes&#39;"><FONT face=宋体>页。</FONT></SPAN><!--EndFragment-->

zqc4124 发表于 2012-5-12 02:54

<P>陳先生之說是也！</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; “彘”字確非不雅之名，當是愛稱！</P>
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