萧旭 发表于 2011-8-26 01:09

上博楚簡“番”字讨论

<P class=MsoFootnoteText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 26.25pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.5"><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">上博楚簡《凡物流形》:“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集">&#133953;</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集">(得)而解之,</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">上</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; POSITION: relative; TOP: 2pt; mso-text-raise: -2.0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" /><v:shapetype id=_x0000_t75 stroked="f" filled="f" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" o:preferrelative="t" o:spt="75" coordsize="21600,21600"> <IMG style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" height=15 src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825192412001.jpg" width=14> </v:shapetype></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">(賓)於天,下番於淵。<SPAN style="COLOR: black">”</SPAN>復旦讀書會《〈上博(七)·凡物流形〉重編釋文》讀“番<SPAN style="COLOR: black">”為“播”,小疋謂“</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">播,布也</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">”。(</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><A href="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/SrcShow.asp?Src_ID=581"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/SrcShow.asp?Src_ID=581</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">),皆可議。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoFootnoteText style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 26.25pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.5"><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">番應讀為蟠,蟠曲也,即龍蟠虎踞的蟠。《莊子·刻意》</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">、《淮南子·</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">道應篇</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">》:“</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">上際於天,下蟠於地</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">。”</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">其本字為般,盤旋曲折也。《漢語大字典》“蟠”訓周遍、遍及,非也。《廣雅》:“蟠,曲也。”《淮南子·兵略篇》:“龍蛇蟠。”高注:“蟠,冕(冤)屈也。”《禮記·樂記》:“及夫禮樂之極乎天而蟠乎地。”</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">鄭<SPAN style="COLOR: black">注:“極,至也。蟠,猶委也。”</SPAN>朱駿聲曰:“蟠,叚借為般。按:猶</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集">&#133336;</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-方正超大字符集">也。</SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">”委亦曲也,際亦極也、至也。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">

有鬲散人 发表于 2011-8-26 02:38

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海天 发表于 2011-8-26 04:20

<P><SPAN><SPAN lang=ZH-TW style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW">蕭先生,番應讀為蟠已見於</SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>宋華強《<STRONG>《凡物流形》<SPAN lang=EN-US>“</SPAN>上干於天,下蟠於淵<SPAN lang=EN-US>”</SPAN>試解》,簡帛網,20</STRONG><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體">09年07月11日, <A href="http://www.bsm.org.cn/show_article.php?id=1111">http://www.bsm.org.cn/show_article.php?id=1111</A></SPAN></SPAN></P>

海天 发表于 2011-8-26 04:21

<FONT size=4>也可見</FONT><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 新細明體; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-ascii-font-family: SimSun; mso-hansi-font-family: SimSun">《古研》</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: SimSun; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體">28 454頁。</SPAN></STRONG>

萧旭 发表于 2011-8-26 04:55

<P style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=MsoNormal><FONT size=3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>多<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="謝蘇">謝蘇</st1:PersonName>先生見告。這條是我作《淮南子校補》的副產品。我於出土文獻研究的進程不熟悉。<st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="宋">宋</st1:PersonName>君引的是宋代及宋代以後的文獻作證據,似過晚,我的材料正好可為宋說作補充。我喜考同源,又扯了個“潘”字,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">云</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>“</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: black; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt" lang=ZH-TW>龍蛇之蟠曲為蟠,故字從虫;水之旋曲為潘,故字從水,其義一也</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>”,證明近代治《莊》者皆誤。</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体" lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>

海天 发表于 2011-8-26 06:21

<FONT size=4>蕭先生的舉證的確讓這個詞的源流更加清楚。</FONT>

matitata 发表于 2011-8-26 08:00

<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;说对说错,各位同道,多担待。杨树达《积微居小学金石论丛》卷1“释经”条下载:古</span><img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825232004110.jpg" border="0"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">声字多训曲,故曲齿谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">齤,曲角谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">觠,曲手谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">拳,取颈顾视谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">眷(引者按:发曲谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">鬈,虫曲谓之</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">蜷等</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">)。<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233113385.jpg" border="0">、<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233122491.jpg" border="0">同音,故<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233306648.jpg" border="0">声字亦多训曲,《说文》:行曲脊貌谓之从走,<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233448567.jpg" border="0">声之字,弓曲谓之从弓,从<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233520591.jpg" border="0">之字,惟權为枉曲,故《春秋繁露·竹林》篇称前枉而后义者,谓之中权也。”笔者受清人凡同声者,义必相近或相同之说的启示,又检得:苑声、冤声及<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825233941804.jpg" border="0">声通,从以上数字得声者,亦有曲义;所以婉,曲也;冤,曲也。又,<img src="/ewebeditor/uploadfile/luntan/2011/08/25/20110825234804795.jpg" border="0">声、般声、曼声、番声、亙声通,所以亦有曲义,曲义与长义、斜义近,所以从以上诸字者,亦有长义;如:蔓、长也;鳗、长鱼也;鬘,发长也;鬗,发长也;蹒,蹒跚跛行貌(亦有斜义);蟠,曲龙也;又,皮声、番声通,从以上二声者,亦有曲义;颇,《说文》头偏也,亦即头斜也;波,水波则水不平,亦曲也;坡,亦曲,不平貌;前述跛字,亦行曲貌,与蹒字相关;如磻、墦、璠、憣等从番声诸字,亦当有曲义,笔者未查考,姑且如此说。</span><br><div><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; "><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; ">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;另外,从般声者,有大义;从番声与从敏声者,有白义;又与以上这些不同。另外,我感觉从瓜得声者,亦有曲义,瓜一般都是圆或椭圆形,有一定的曲率,古人造字的时候没见过方形的瓜吧,觚有一定的曲率,弧也有一定的曲率 ,所以从瓜声者,也有曲义,但笔者没有查考它与从以上得声诸字音韵上的联系,按理说音韵上应该有关系的,不确定。</span></div>, <p>[此主题已被 matitata 在 2011-8-26 0:05:39 编辑过]<p>[此主题已被 matitata 在 2011-8-26 0:14:25 编辑过]<p>[此主题已被 matitata 在 2011-8-26 13:46:21 编辑过]

十三月 发表于 2011-8-26 08:00

<P>弧字是</P>
<P>聲類相尋, 有的有,&nbsp; 有的沒有</P>
<P>大底如蕭兄言, 要看時代早晚</P>

海綿寶寶 发表于 2011-8-26 18:57

<P>7樓說&nbsp; 估计大家都没见过方形的瓜吧</P>
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