藉卉宴饮 发表于 2012-4-13 06:31

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<P style="TEXT-INDENT: 23.2pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" class=a><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 150%; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; LETTER-SPACING: -0.2pt; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-hansi-font-family: 宋体" lang=ZH-TW>墓南另有兩組蚌圖,原報告稱,圖二中龍、虎連體,鹿和“蜘蛛”間有一件石斧;圖三有奔虎等,人騎</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT

xzjgw 发表于 2012-4-14 18:48

<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>要感谢</FONT><A href="http://www.gwz.fudan.edu.cn/Profile.asp?UserName=藉卉宴饮"><FONT face=宋体 color=#000000 size=4>藉卉宴饮</FONT></A><FONT face=宋体 size=4>先生的努力,使得我们看清了一些“亢”字形的情况,但是先生所谓“龍字和亢字都出現在商周甲骨文、金文中,它們分別取象於東宮蒼龍和“亢””的判断是不成立,建议先生从下面的线索及相关脉络上重新考查:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>1,“星象”不只有“龙,亢”,比如“虎”,字形不可能是来源于星象,所谓“星象”是相似于人类已有观念而得名,属于后世虚拟。这不同于“日,月,星”的实际物象来源。</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体><FONT size=4>2,甲骨文文是形态观念的会意,所以可由其所从部件,了解其会意本质来源,亢从大省,从<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">歺省。</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>《说文解字》释亢:<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">人頸</B>也。从大省,象頸脈形。凡亢之屬皆从亢。頏,亢或从頁。(張晏曰。亢,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">喉嚨</B>也。頁部曰:頡者,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">直項</B>也。亢者,人頸。然則頡亢正謂直項。淮南修務訓:王公大人有嚴志頡頏之行者,無不憛悇癢心而悅其色矣。此正用直項之訓。解嘲之頡亢,亦正謂鄒衍强項傲物而世猶歸資之也。亢用字之本義。東方朔畫贊云:苟出不可以直道也,故頡頏以傲世。亦取直項之義。)</FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>释歺:<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">骨之殘</B>也。从半冎。凡歺之屬皆从歺。讀若櫱岸之櫱。<SPAN class=jieshi1><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">(段注:讀若櫱岸之櫱。</SPAN></SPAN>櫱岸未聞。櫱當作屵。<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">屵者,岸高</B>也。五割切。櫱音同。)<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><FONT size=4>释残:賊也。从歺戔聲。昨干切。<SPAN class=jieshi1><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">(</SPAN></SPAN>如戔,少也,水之少者曰淺,金之小者曰錢,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">歹而小者曰殘</B>,貝之小者曰賤,如此類皆以戔爲義。《史記·天官書》<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">五殘星</B>,出正東東方之野,其星狀類辰星。《正義曰》五殘,一名五鋒。《前漢·藝文志》有《五殘雜變星》二十一卷。)<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-18030">释</SPAN><FONT face=宋体><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-18030; mso-ascii-font-family: 宋体">㱚</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体-18030">:</SPAN><SPAN class=jieshi1><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">禽獸所食餘也。</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
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xzjgw 发表于 2012-4-14 19:09

<P>相关字形线索还可参考(勇者认为那个从歹火或大歹火的字形就是甲骨文烈,请注意卜辞烈下字形中的刀):</P>
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藉卉宴饮 发表于 2012-4-15 20:23

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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>大示拜讀過了。謝謝!</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>澄清一下:亢字取象於“亢”確是小札的臆說;至於龍字取象於東宮蒼龍,“發明權”屬<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on" ProductID="馮時">馮時</st1:PersonName>先生,不敢掠美。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>您的第二個帖子中的兩個字,很可能</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">从</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>亢</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">从</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体-方正超大字符集; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW" lang=ZH-TW>火,應該和亢字聯繫起來分析。您指示“相關字形線索還可參考”,應當是很有價值的意見。</SPAN></STRONG></P></FONT><p>[此主题已被 藉卉宴饮 在 2012-4-15 12:28:58 编辑过]

xzjgw 发表于 2012-4-16 03:21

<P>再给先生提供一个双头“龙”的甲骨文字形“虹”:</P>
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<P>从双龙,龙声。一般在雨后出现,雨,水也。如与相关观念结合我们可以理解为“河龙”。</P>
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<P>甲骨文龙,从之或辛,从虫,虫声。</P>
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<P>甲骨文虫,从肉或入,从厶,厶声。</P>
<P>虽然汉字的起源于对天文天体的崇拜,日月星辰的本质体会,运行规律认识等等,但是,原始文字字形是形态观念的会意,所谓“形态观念”不是对某个单一事物的拟构,而是类属事物的共有形态的本质反映。所以我们不可以随意性的“星”连“星”方式去硬套,认为古人如此造字,岂不是荒诞不经?</P>
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藉卉宴饮 发表于 2012-4-18 01:16

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<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>答</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=EN-US>xzigw</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>先生:</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>史出於巫,遇到不好解釋的問題不免要去猜。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>猜分幾</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">種</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>,有的屬於瞎猜,有的注重證據、邏輯和規律,後一種今人稱之為研究。很多時候瞎猜和研究是混雜在一起的,不易區分,等到水落石出,回過頭來才能</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">看</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>清楚。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>猜謎也須講求方法,有的人猜中的概率高,有的人猜中的概率低,方法不同使然。這裏不光是功</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">底</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>的問題,還有眼界的問題</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>司馬遷講過要“究天人之際,通古今之變”,在空間和時間上放寬視野,有助於提高猜中的概率。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: 29pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-line-height-rule: exactly" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; COLOR: windowtext; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold" lang=ZH-TW>推測亢字取象於“亢”——角、亢、氐,本意是想效法一下“究天人之際”的套路(順便說一下,姊妹篇《<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName w:st="on" Product
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