重耳 发表于 2011-5-1 06:14

隹(唯)十又一月,井弔(叔)來麥(?),迺蔑霸白(伯)歷,史(使)伐,用幬二百,丹二量,虎皮,霸白(伯)拜稽首,對揚井(邢)弔(叔)休,用乍(作)寶簋,其萬年子=(子子)孫=(孫孫)其永寶用。

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-1 06:30

<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>"那上面有“<STRONG>命宾曰</STRONG>”,多处有“<STRONG>宾</STRONG>”字,与“<STRONG>宾</STRONG>”相涉。"指的是<STRONG>霸伯盂铭文</STRONG>自身的内容。与<STRONG>霸伯簋铭文</STRONG>的内容无关!</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4>“看看上面有没有可用的东西”指的是<STRONG>霸伯铜器铭</STRONG>的用字习惯,也就是用字的共性。</FONT></P><p>[此主题已被 徐伯鸿 在 2011-4-30 22:38:56 编辑过]

重耳 发表于 2011-5-1 06:38

簋銘迺字原先錯看作鬯了,改過。

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-1 08:00

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30.1pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">霸伯虽自称为伯</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">,只是小国方伯,其实地位不高,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">其位只在周王大夫级</B>。<SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #2a2a2a; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">在铜器铭文里<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">被蔑历的人</B>,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">大致只是大夫一级。</B>《左传》襄公十九年:<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN lang=EN-US>“</SPAN>夫铭,天子令德,诸侯言时计功,大夫称伐。<SPAN lang=EN-US>”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #2a2a2a; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: Tahoma">考诸周代的<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">命级</B>制度,周王大夫四命,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">出封加一等,四命大夫为五命子男。<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">其地也不大</B>,《周礼·大宗伯》:“……五命赐则,……,七命赐国,……。”郑玄注:“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">则,地未成国之名</B>。王之下大夫四命,出封加一等,五命,<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">赐之以方百里、二百里者</B>。方三百里以上为成国。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">《周礼·典命》:“典命掌诸侯之五仪、诸臣之五等之命。上公九命为伯,其国家宫室车旗礼仪皆以九为节。侯伯七命,其国家宫室车旗礼仪皆以七为节。子男五命,其国家宫室车旗衣服礼仪皆以五为节。王之三公八命,其卿六命,其大夫四命。及其出封,皆加一等,其国家宫室车旗衣服礼仪亦如之。凡诸侯之嫡子,誓于天子,摄其君,则下其君一等。未誓,则以皮帛继于男。公之孤四命,以皮帛</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">眡</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">小国之君,其卿三命,其大夫再命,其士一命,其宫室车旗衣服礼仪各</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">眡</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">其命之数;侯伯之卿、大夫、士亦如之。子男之卿再命,其大夫一命,其士不命,其宫室车旗衣服礼仪各</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">眡</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">其命之数。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">《周礼》疏:“及其出封皆加一等者,三公八命者为九命上<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">公,六命卿为七命侯伯,四命大夫为五命子男。……王之上士三命,中士再命,下士一命。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">《春秋》传曰:“列国之卿当小国之君,固周制也。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 30pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">《周礼·大宗伯》:“壹命受职,再命受服,三命受位,四命受器,五命赐则,六命赐官,七命赐国,八命作牧,九命作伯。”郑玄注:“则,地未成国之名。王之下大夫四命,出封加一等,五命,赐之以方百里、二百里者。方三百里以上为成国。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p><FONT size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-1 08:00

<P><FONT face=宋体 size=4><STRONG>霸伯簋铭文</STRONG>经<STRONG>重耳</STRONG>隶定<STRONG>,</STRONG>已经可读<STRONG>。</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=5><STRONG>隹(唯)十又一月,井弔(叔)來麥(?),迺蔑霸白(伯)歷,史(使)伐,用幬二百,丹二量,虎皮,霸白(伯)拜稽首,對揚井(邢)弔(叔)休,用乍(作)寶簋,其萬年子=(子子)孫=(孫孫)其永寶用。</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=宋体 size=5>谢谢<STRONG>重耳</STRONG>!</FONT></P>

秉太一者 发表于 2011-5-1 18:17

<P>“丹”当读作“旃”。</P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-1 18:48

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徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-1 18:57

<P><FONT size=5>那个字,<STRONG>重耳</STRONG>隶定为"<STRONG>丹</STRONG>",<STRONG>正确!"丹二量</STRONG>"与"<STRONG>丹一管</STRONG>"所言相同.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=4>《庚嬴卣》:唯王十月既朢,辰在己丑,王格于庚嬴宫,王蔑庚嬴历,赐贝十朋,又<STRONG>丹一管</STRONG>。庚嬴对扬王休,用作厥文姑宝尊彝,其子子孙孙,万年永宝用。<BR></FONT></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-2 05:37

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">丹二量</B>”与“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">丹一管</B>”所言相同。“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">量</B>”与“<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">管</B>”都是容积单位也是容器名。西周的“量”与“管”,其情已不详。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">古有“黄钟生量”之说。后世的典籍有记述。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">“量者,龠、合、升、斗、斛也,所以量多少也。本起于黄钟之龠,用度数,审其容,以子谷秬黍中者千有二百实其龠,以井水准其槩。合龠为合,十合为升,十升为斗,十斗为斛,而五量嘉矣。”<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体">“黄钟生量”,黄钟之<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">管</B>其长广容秬黍中者千二百粒为一龠,两龠为合,十合为升,十升为斗,十斗为斛。一龠也许就是<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">一管</B>。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; LETTER-SPACING: 0.4pt">朱砂</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; LETTER-SPACING: 0.4pt">,古时称作<SPAN lang=EN-US>“</SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">丹</B><SPAN lang=EN-US>”</SPAN>。不特可以入药,也可以用作染料。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #464646"> </SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #464646; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">赤舄</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; COLOR: #464646; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; mso-hansi-font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;">、<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">朱虢(鞹)鞃靳</B>,均需用“丹”来染色和涂饰。</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; LETTER-SPACING: 0.4pt">用这种颜料染成的红色非常纯正、鲜艳。<SPAN lang=EN-US>1972</SPAN>年,长沙马王堆汉墓出土的大批彩绘印花丝织品中,有不少花纹就是用朱砂绘制成的,这些朱砂颗粒研磨得又细又匀,埋葬时间虽长达两千多年,但织物的色泽依然鲜艳无比。<SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>

徐伯鸿 发表于 2011-5-2 06:09

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">虎皮</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">及<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">虎皮的裘衣</B>都的周代用作赏赐品的物件。<SPAN lang=EN-US><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">大师虘簋铭文:正月既望甲午,王才周师量宫,旦,王各大室,即位,王乎师晨召大师虘入门,立中廷,王乎宰曶易大师虘<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">虎裘</B>,虘拜稽首。敢对扬天子不显休。用乍宝簋。虘(其)萬年永寶用。唯十又二年。 <SPAN lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 15pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体">赏赐给大师虘的物品为<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">虎皮的裘衣</B>。</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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